Killjoys: Julian Doucet Talks “The Lion, The Witch & The Warlord”

Syfy / Bell Media
Syfy / Bell Media

*** This article contains major spoilers for the Killjoys Season 3 episode “The Lion, The Witch & The Warlord”***

Just as fabulous as the man himself, Killjoys served up a glorious episode Friday night centered all around everyone’s favorite bartender/ex-warlord Pree (Thom Allison). After a bounty was put out on Johnny (Aaron Ashmore) for the murder of Delle Seyah (Mayko Nguyen), Dutch (Hannah John-Kamen) turned to Pree for help. He brought the pair to his old stomping grounds, where the ex-warlord used to be in charge, but didn’t find the refuge for John that he was necessarily looking for, thanks to ex-lover Lachlan (Mac Fyfe). Lachlan not only held a grudge against Pree for leaving, but he used it to put Dutch and John through a series of trials that caused the best friends to confront issues between them over John’s return to the team.

Elsewhere, Zeph (Kelly McCormack) finally was able to unlock the Remnant, while also helping D’avin (Luke Macfarlane) tap into the power of the green plasma. He used it to board Aneela’s ship and discovered that Delle Seyah is with her, but before he left, Aneela saw him as well. What will she do with that knowledge? As we do every week, The TV Junkies caught up with the Killjoys team to break down everything that happened in “The Lion, The Witch & The Warlord,” written by Julian Doucet and directed by Paolo Barzman. Doucet was kind enough to share some insight into the Pree-heavy episode, the unexpected, but a much wanted, return of Gared (Gavin Fox) and Killjoys’ approach when it comes to LGBTQ representation. He also previews what Aneela may do now that she knows about D’avin.


The TV Junkies: Can we first start by just saying “Pree! Glorious Pree!” This episode was everything we could’ve wanted out of a trip into Pree’s backstory. How much fun did you guys have coming up with this episode, and is an episode like this part of the luxury of being in Season 3?

Julian Doucet: The amount of fun we had was obscene. Possibly illegal. Pree is one of the show’s most beloved characters, so we stuffed this episode with all our favorite tropes. And hair. So much hair! The Wall shot of a blond-maned Pree in Episode 202 was 100 per cent our springboard. And as a man with a shaved pate – there may have been some wish fulfillment happening here…

I think a third season does allow you to take the time for a “detour” episode like this. The audience knows the game and is ready for the expansion packs; the actors are hungry to take their characters to new places; the writers know how to write to the actors’ strengths and how to shade the colors in more inventive ways. That being said, part of the struggle with Killjoys is we’re always trying to cram a regular thirteen-episode season into ten episodes. So even if we get to take a delicious road trip into Pree’s backstory, it still has to serve the greater arc of the season. It still has to pay off what we’ve set in motion. As Pree would say, there are no free rides in Killjoys. Except maybe Johnny. But that’s between him and the Sexers.

TTVJ: Killjoys is one of the most diverse shows on television, and this episode was a great example of that as we get to see Pree’s relationships with Lachlan and Gared. How important is it to keep bringing more LGBTQ stories into the show?

JD: The great thing about science fiction is that you get to show, not preach. In Killjoys, the world is inclusive and diverse because this is the future we dream of. In the Quad, our characters are struggling with genocide by alien parasites, internal corruption, and an unfair distribution of wealth enslaving those with and without. They’re not asking themselves can women or gay men lead armadas and command armies. They don’t care who you bang just so long as the banging is good.

Marginalized characters and communities will always be part of Killjoys storytelling because it matters to Michelle. Her worlds dissect how agency is stolen from the most vulnerable, and how it is won back again. The LGBTQ community is still one of the most vulnerable communities so in a Lovretta universe, they will have a voice, a gun, and a saucy quip. Because no, they will not take your shit.

Syfy / Bell Media
Syfy / Bell Media

TTVJ: Speaking of Gared, when we met him in Season 2 there were many jokes how he and Pree had a “meet cute” moment, but you guys actually went and put what would normally be fanfiction, into the script and brought him back. How did that come about and will we see more of Gared in Season 3?

JD:  Let’s get the objectifying out of the way… Not only is Gavin Fox the sweetest, gentlest goddam delight of a human; his biceps are like pythons that just swallowed a litter of piglets.  Pree is such a showstopper we couldn’t pair him with anyone less than extraordinary, but they couldn’t steal his same thunder either. His love interest had to bring something completely different but complementary… enter Gavin Fox.

As for how it came about, the actors deserve all the credit. Michelle noticed the chemistry between them in Episode 202 right away. Gared just kept trying to get Pree to notice him. He stole his bar, fought his best friend, tried to rob Pree’s other bestie, hobbled in on crutches waving a knife… Poor boy just didn’t know how to ask a guy out. I mean, we’ve all been there, right? Pree IS intimidating. How do you ask a sexy hurricane like that to the movies? I’d be doing crunches for months.

And yes, you will see more of this duo. Gared went to all the trouble of getting stabbed to get Pree’s attention, he’s not about to let a little war get in the way of his happily ever after.

TTVJ: Johnny and Dutch had issues to work through regarding his return, but this being Killjoys, of course they don’t sit down with coffee and discuss. I loved the idea of them having to work through their issue via these trials, and Aaron and Hannah are so good in those scenes. Are those two now fully united moving forward against Aneela?

JD:  Aren’t Aaron and Hannah amazing? Also I must give props to our director Paolo Barzman who brought them to some truly, truly mesmerizing places.

They’re a totally united front moving forward. They will not always agree on tactics, but they understand and value where the other is coming from – which is why they’re besties. Johnny may be a harder man now, but at his core he will always fight for what’s right. Dutch loves that side of him, and fights to protect it… which is why she didn’t want him coming back to a war they probably can’t win. Like most fiercely independent people, Dutch has a hard time accepting help or being cared for. That’s why she needs D’avin. Unlike John, her first instinct isn’t to protect D’av, so she’s more comfortable accepting his help. And this season… she’s gonna need it.

Syfy / Bell Media
Syfy / Bell Media

TTVJ: So Aneela now knows about D’avin, but thanks to him the team is now also aware that Delle Seyah is with Aneela. How will Aneela use this information to her advantage? I can’t imagine this is good for our team.

JD: Bingo. Dutch is still a bit of a blindspot for Aneela, metaphorically and for reasons they will kill me if I tell you. Suddenly having a calculating tactician like Delle Seyah for Aneela to play Stratego with? World of bad for the gang.

Also, I wouldn’t gloss over Aneela knowing about D’avin. Someone may want a new magic pony for their collection…

TTVJ: It was a lot of fun seeing the dynamic between Zeph and D’avin build through this episode. Can we expect her to just be more and more a part of the team going forward, and what will she do now that she figured out how to open The Remnant?

JD: Zeph will become more and more part of the team whether they want her to or not. She doesn’t really ask for permission. But she does truly want to help our trio, and studying the remnant is how she succeeds – because inside that sneaky remnant lies all of the shocking Aneela and Dutch backstory answers you could hope for. Zeph goes on a little sabbatical as she puts some last pieces together, but what she brings back to Dutch in 306 will blow the doors off of everything.

TTVJ: Dutch said her plan is going to be to take back the RAC. How is she going to go about that and should we worry at all about Banyon? She really seems to have it out for Team Awesomeforce.

JD: Dutch knows the RAC has been infiltrated by the Hullen on an interstellar level. She needs to clean house so she can use the RAC’s resources against Aneela. You’ve seen Aneela’s armada, and now so has D’avin – there’s no way our scrappy heroes can take that shit on alone. If they want to win, first they need to recruit a few other RAC units, without tipping off any Hullen embedded on those outposts. This will require some hilarious cloak and daggering – and then raiding their own home turf, Die Hard style. There’s a reason our next ep is called “Attack the Rack”.

And yes. Worry about Banyon.


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Killjoys airs Fridays at 8 p.m. ET on Syfy and Space.

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